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		<title>Comment on Fall Orientation, Library Secrets *and* Connect With Your Library by Genneaux</title>
		<link>http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/fall-orientation-library-secrets-and-conenct-with-your-library/#comment-1398</link>
		<dc:creator>Genneaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer,
I don&#039;t know about that phrase specifically, but Library Secrets started here at C.O.D. in April of &#039;08: http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/have-i-mentioned-library-secrets-yet/

Since then, I&#039;ve presented at LOEX, ACRL and ALA on the campaign and I know of a couple other libraries who are running their own Library Secrets programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer,<br />
I don&#8217;t know about that phrase specifically, but Library Secrets started here at C.O.D. in April of &#8216;08: <a href="http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/have-i-mentioned-library-secrets-yet/" rel="nofollow">http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/have-i-mentioned-library-secrets-yet/</a></p>
<p>Since then, I&#8217;ve presented at LOEX, ACRL and ALA on the campaign and I know of a couple other libraries who are running their own Library Secrets programs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fall Orientation, Library Secrets *and* Connect With Your Library by Jennifer Morales</title>
		<link>http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/fall-orientation-library-secrets-and-conenct-with-your-library/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Morales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenn,

Do you know who invented &quot;the Secret is in the Library&quot; campaign?

Jennifer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenn,</p>
<p>Do you know who invented &#8220;the Secret is in the Library&#8221; campaign?</p>
<p>Jennifer</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m a sucker for a pretty GIF by Tango on the Table: Snazzing up the wiki &#171; Please Be Quiet</title>
		<link>http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/im-a-sucker-for-a-pretty-gif/#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator>Tango on the Table: Snazzing up the wiki &#171; Please Be Quiet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] changed my Online Students &amp; Faculty page to incorporate Tango icons.  As much as I loved my first redesign, the icons bring it more in line with other Library web pages.  Plus, my first version used a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] changed my Online Students &amp; Faculty page to incorporate Tango icons.  As much as I loved my first redesign, the icons bring it more in line with other Library web pages.  Plus, my first version used a [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What to do with Wolfram Alpha by Genneaux</title>
		<link>http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/what-to-do-with-wolfram-alpha/#comment-1343</link>
		<dc:creator>Genneaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a little link at the bottom of the Source Information pop-up.  Initially, it had indicated that it linked to more detailed information about data sources (though the link was dead).

I&#039;m definitely not anti-Wolfram Alpha.  I think it&#039;s terribly cool.  It&#039;s a long way off from trickling down to regular use by students at my college so I really needn&#039;t worry too much about how to incorporate it into IL instruction.  Nevertheless, it&#039;s shiny, new and different; and if &quot;systematic knowledge&quot; does become &quot;immediately computable by anyone&quot; we will probably, eventually, need to pinpoint its origins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a little link at the bottom of the Source Information pop-up.  Initially, it had indicated that it linked to more detailed information about data sources (though the link was dead).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m definitely not anti-Wolfram Alpha.  I think it&#8217;s terribly cool.  It&#8217;s a long way off from trickling down to regular use by students at my college so I really needn&#8217;t worry too much about how to incorporate it into IL instruction.  Nevertheless, it&#8217;s shiny, new and different; and if &#8220;systematic knowledge&#8221; does become &#8220;immediately computable by anyone&#8221; we will probably, eventually, need to pinpoint its origins.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What to do with Wolfram Alpha by jacqueline</title>
		<link>http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/what-to-do-with-wolfram-alpha/#comment-1342</link>
		<dc:creator>jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was the &quot;for researchers&quot; link?  I missed that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was the &#8220;for researchers&#8221; link?  I missed that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What to do with Wolfram Alpha by Genneaux</title>
		<link>http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/what-to-do-with-wolfram-alpha/#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>Genneaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacqueline,
I guess the Google-style aspect isn&#039;t really the problem.  And though they say on one line that their data comes form &quot;its own internal knowledge base&quot;, on another line they acknowledge that &quot;[s]ome of the data in that knowledge base is derived from official public or private websites&quot;.  

So yes, Wolfram-Alpha is a bit like any other online reference resource.  We can accept its data the same way we accept the data in an almanac.  

As Wolfram-Alpha moves into beta, I&#039;d like to see persistent URLs for citation purposes and I&#039;d like to see the &quot;for researchers&quot; link return (it was nonfunctional when I first looked at the site, now it&#039;s been removed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacqueline,<br />
I guess the Google-style aspect isn&#8217;t really the problem.  And though they say on one line that their data comes form &#8220;its own internal knowledge base&#8221;, on another line they acknowledge that &#8220;[s]ome of the data in that knowledge base is derived from official public or private websites&#8221;.  </p>
<p>So yes, Wolfram-Alpha is a bit like any other online reference resource.  We can accept its data the same way we accept the data in an almanac.  </p>
<p>As Wolfram-Alpha moves into beta, I&#8217;d like to see persistent URLs for citation purposes and I&#8217;d like to see the &#8220;for researchers&#8221; link return (it was nonfunctional when I first looked at the site, now it&#8217;s been removed).</p>
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		<title>Comment on What to do with Wolfram Alpha by jacqueline</title>
		<link>http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/what-to-do-with-wolfram-alpha/#comment-1340</link>
		<dc:creator>jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see the problem.  According to its FAQ, Wolfram&#124;Alpha &quot;generates output by doing computations from its own internal knowledge base, instead of searching the web and returning links.&quot;  So really, it doesn&#039;t do anything Google-style, as you claim.  In that case, shouldn&#039;t we be able to cite it in the same way we would any kind of database?

Or maybe... maybe we should at least develop a type of citation that includes the query, because this would make the information much easier to re-retrieve?  Always including the date of the query, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see the problem.  According to its FAQ, Wolfram|Alpha &#8220;generates output by doing computations from its own internal knowledge base, instead of searching the web and returning links.&#8221;  So really, it doesn&#8217;t do anything Google-style, as you claim.  In that case, shouldn&#8217;t we be able to cite it in the same way we would any kind of database?</p>
<p>Or maybe&#8230; maybe we should at least develop a type of citation that includes the query, because this would make the information much easier to re-retrieve?  Always including the date of the query, of course.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Twitter League of Libraries by Aarontay</title>
		<link>http://genneaux.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/the-twitter-league-of-libraries/#comment-1313</link>
		<dc:creator>Aarontay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually started out with lists from http://lindyjb.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/libraries-on-twitter-updated-list/ and http://www.libsuccess.org/index.php?title=Twitter . 

As these two lists are self nominated, &quot;Libraries on twitter&quot; (as opposed to librarians on twitter, which tends to be personal accounts), I assumed they were official accounts.  

I&#039;m quite surprised that your account which I believe is listed there isn&#039;t considered an official library account?

I later supplemented it with searches for &quot;library&quot;, &quot;lib&quot;, &quot;ref&quot;

For these cases, I indeed had to use some judgment, though in most cases it was quite clear from the Bio which were official accounts. 

When it comes down to it, I think whether the twitter account should be included or not is whether it is mainly followed by library users, or if is used it for other purposes say as a personal account to do networking with other librarians.

I must admit, I wasn&#039;t particularly sure your account was official at the time (I noticed the high number of followers) even though it was listed as the name wasn&#039;t in the form of X Library, but it was listed and the link to the library webpage was suggestive. 

The line isn&#039;t particularly clear of course, I can remove your account if you want. 

I recently added then removed http://twitter.com/yalsa because it was I think meant mainly for librarians.

As for how comprehensive the list is, I think it is probably the most comprehensive list out there, but every day new accounts are added, and I&#039;m sure there are lots out there I&#039;m not aware of.

You are right, I don&#039;t think it should come down to just looking at number of followers.  While it is fun to see who is #5 on the list, the main purpose is to see what libraries in aggregate are doing rather than looking at specific accounts. 

Now for example I know that about half the library accounts have more than 168 followers, which probably means hitting that target is not unreasonable etc. 

And no, I don&#039;t think that this will lead to a frenzy of competition.

I also hope to be able to analyze other statistics, for instance, I notice some libraries are following pretty much everyone are following them with follower/following ratios of roughly 1, while others are hardly following anyone. Seems to suggest different strategies, policies at play.,, 

One could also analyse signal to noise ratios (% of twits that have links, hash tags, are @s) , whether the twitter account is being asked questions (% of @s to account) etc..

I suspect libraries are using twitter in many differ ways and this might show up in the statistics.

I blogged a bit on what I was trying to do at http://musingsaboutlibrarianship.blogspot.com/2009/05/library-twitter-league-official-library.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually started out with lists from <a href="http://lindyjb.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/libraries-on-twitter-updated-list/" rel="nofollow">http://lindyjb.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/libraries-on-twitter-updated-list/</a> and <a href="http://www.libsuccess.org/index.php?title=Twitter" rel="nofollow">http://www.libsuccess.org/index.php?title=Twitter</a> . </p>
<p>As these two lists are self nominated, &#8220;Libraries on twitter&#8221; (as opposed to librarians on twitter, which tends to be personal accounts), I assumed they were official accounts.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite surprised that your account which I believe is listed there isn&#8217;t considered an official library account?</p>
<p>I later supplemented it with searches for &#8220;library&#8221;, &#8220;lib&#8221;, &#8220;ref&#8221;</p>
<p>For these cases, I indeed had to use some judgment, though in most cases it was quite clear from the Bio which were official accounts. </p>
<p>When it comes down to it, I think whether the twitter account should be included or not is whether it is mainly followed by library users, or if is used it for other purposes say as a personal account to do networking with other librarians.</p>
<p>I must admit, I wasn&#8217;t particularly sure your account was official at the time (I noticed the high number of followers) even though it was listed as the name wasn&#8217;t in the form of X Library, but it was listed and the link to the library webpage was suggestive. </p>
<p>The line isn&#8217;t particularly clear of course, I can remove your account if you want. </p>
<p>I recently added then removed <a href="http://twitter.com/yalsa" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/yalsa</a> because it was I think meant mainly for librarians.</p>
<p>As for how comprehensive the list is, I think it is probably the most comprehensive list out there, but every day new accounts are added, and I&#8217;m sure there are lots out there I&#8217;m not aware of.</p>
<p>You are right, I don&#8217;t think it should come down to just looking at number of followers.  While it is fun to see who is #5 on the list, the main purpose is to see what libraries in aggregate are doing rather than looking at specific accounts. </p>
<p>Now for example I know that about half the library accounts have more than 168 followers, which probably means hitting that target is not unreasonable etc. </p>
<p>And no, I don&#8217;t think that this will lead to a frenzy of competition.</p>
<p>I also hope to be able to analyze other statistics, for instance, I notice some libraries are following pretty much everyone are following them with follower/following ratios of roughly 1, while others are hardly following anyone. Seems to suggest different strategies, policies at play.,, </p>
<p>One could also analyse signal to noise ratios (% of twits that have links, hash tags, are @s) , whether the twitter account is being asked questions (% of @s to account) etc..</p>
<p>I suspect libraries are using twitter in many differ ways and this might show up in the statistics.</p>
<p>I blogged a bit on what I was trying to do at <a href="http://musingsaboutlibrarianship.blogspot.com/2009/05/library-twitter-league-official-library.html" rel="nofollow">http://musingsaboutlibrarianship.blogspot.com/2009/05/library-twitter-league-official-library.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m a sucker for a pretty GIF by jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow! you&#039;re right, nice and crisp, love it!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow! you&#8217;re right, nice and crisp, love it!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m a sucker for a pretty GIF by Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 01:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eeee! It has pictures so it has to be good! Very pretty indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eeee! It has pictures so it has to be good! Very pretty indeed.</p>
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